"...If the PI’s on the DEFUSE grant were to share their databases, lab notebooks, and communications, we would be able to rule out the possibility that they went forward with the research proposed in DEFUSE...."
The "speed of science" fans of Zoonotic theories..remain mute on this "minor" quibble :)
Imagine having to say (by implication)..."we dont need to see their data bases/notebooks/emails etc..we just know its the markets.." ..oh dear..
"Want to falsify a lab origin? Easy: rule out the most-likely scenario. If the PI’s on the DEFUSE grant were to share their databases, lab notebooks, and communications, we could update the likelihood they went forward with the research proposed in DEFUSE. Of course, that same group received NIH/NIAID"
Also:
Just to get a few more ducks in a row regarding funding to the EcoHealth Alliance:
Although EcoHealth's Defuse proposal was not funded by DARPA, DARPA did fund EcoHealth's sub-contractor One Health (UC Davis) to the sum of $9.37 million
This has been their largest source of funding. Very little press attention has been paid to the DTRA contract. $30+ billion dollars is a big chunk of change. It's rare to see a DARPA contract exceed $20 million.
"reminds me of when physicists were turning on the largest particle accelerator in human history (I forget which one, please comment if you remember this!)"
"When you don’t have much to go on, and limited resources, it’s better to aim at problems that you know are out there," Hartsfield writes. "Those things will lead you to new discoveries."
Which brings us around to Flo's racoon dog sequence that she somehow magically found a couple of weeks ago in some hidden database at CNRS. Have you seen even a preprint?
Um, I haven't even seen a preprint.
What is the date of this racoon dog sample?
In the interest of conserving everyone's energy (as per the recommendation of the above physicist's advice), no further conversation about the racoon dog as the origin of SARS-CoV-2 should be taken seriously until we know the date for said racoon dog sample.
If Flo's racoon dog sample, or any sample, is dated to after December 15, 2019, it should be considered to be likely part of the spread of SARS-CoV-2, not a point of origin.
Why?
We know SARS-CoV-2 easily transmits from humans to animals such as dogs, cats and racoon dogs. If SARS-CoV-2 was in Wuhan in December, it is predictable that animals as well as humans caught it.
So . . .
I think it would be good to get back to this other line of inquiry:
What samples exist for positive SARS-CoV-2 in November and December?
I know of :
1. The California/Oregon/Red Cross blood samples that had a 2% positive rate for SARS-CoV-2 in the middle of Dec. 2019,
and
2. The SARS-CoV-2 positive waste water samples in Turin and Milan in the middle of December 2019.
What does DRASTIC have on this? Anyone else? Is there a comprehensive list of publications or databases of SARS-CoV-2 positive samples (saliva, swabs, blook, waste water) dated to November and December?
Hello to you all! On May 13th there will be an international event for all of those who suffered from this horrendous last few years. The most visible victims are the ones dead or maimed by the shots and those who died from untreated cv or other infections and diseases, who did not fit well to the narrative.
But there are many of us who suffered in various ways - discrimination, insults, being outcast from the workplace, public life and places, or simply put in repeated lockdowns.
Could you please share if there is anything planned in your country / region / town? It would be interesting and we still have the time to use and improve creative ideas, so that it could not get silenced and would not go unnoticed.
This is no longer a "scientific debate" and scientists are not stubbornly defending their position for the sake of progressing or advancing good science. All the institutions are corrupt and they know that their heads are on the chopping block. Anyone who has done any digging knows that decades of dual purpose research has been conducted concealing bio-warfare under the guise of finding a cure for cancer etc.
It was not one accidental release. It was circulating before 2020. Omicron did not arise from Wu, alpha or delta. Looks to me like Multiple intended releases, giving rapid world wide spread of wuCoof, variants. They want you fearful, controlled, or dead.
They are pushing back against you Alex:
New data links Covid-19’s origins to raccoon dogs at Wuhan market | Coronavirus | The Guardian
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/mar/17/covid-19-origins-raccoon-dogs-wuhan-market-data
IANAB, but it didn't make much sense to me. YMMV.
"...If the PI’s on the DEFUSE grant were to share their databases, lab notebooks, and communications, we would be able to rule out the possibility that they went forward with the research proposed in DEFUSE...."
The "speed of science" fans of Zoonotic theories..remain mute on this "minor" quibble :)
Imagine having to say (by implication)..."we dont need to see their data bases/notebooks/emails etc..we just know its the markets.." ..oh dear..
Now, what are the odds of SARS virus simultaneously acquiring FCS annnnd CGG-CGG outside of a lab environment? 🤔🤔🤷♂️
Regarding hypothesis testing:
Hypothesis: SARS-CoV-2 was circulating in Wuhan before December, 2019
There is quite a bit of data that Gilles Demaneuf discusses in this paper:
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/364644929_Arrested_Development_The_number_of_Wuhan_cases_of_COVID-19_with_onset_in_2019
Seems that this is a good line of inquiry. I'm glad to see that Demaneuf is working in this direction.
"Want to falsify a lab origin? Easy: rule out the most-likely scenario. If the PI’s on the DEFUSE grant were to share their databases, lab notebooks, and communications, we could update the likelihood they went forward with the research proposed in DEFUSE. Of course, that same group received NIH/NIAID"
Also:
Just to get a few more ducks in a row regarding funding to the EcoHealth Alliance:
Although EcoHealth's Defuse proposal was not funded by DARPA, DARPA did fund EcoHealth's sub-contractor One Health (UC Davis) to the sum of $9.37 million
https://www.ucdavis.edu/news/9m-preempt-zoonotic-spillover-threats-protect-military-and-local-communities
To, among other things, create a vaccine that works against Ebola and Lassa fever.
The EcoHealth Alliance also was funded by DTRA (Defense Threat Reduction Agency):
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/ecohealth-alliance-hid-pentagon-funding/
This has been their largest source of funding. Very little press attention has been paid to the DTRA contract. $30+ billion dollars is a big chunk of change. It's rare to see a DARPA contract exceed $20 million.
"reminds me of when physicists were turning on the largest particle accelerator in human history (I forget which one, please comment if you remember this!)"
The Day the World Did Not End
AKA: Turning on the Large Hadron Collider
https://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2008/10oct_lhc/
Also: advice from particle physicist mentioned in this article:
https://futurism.com/the-byte/physicist-not-another-collider
"When you don’t have much to go on, and limited resources, it’s better to aim at problems that you know are out there," Hartsfield writes. "Those things will lead you to new discoveries."
Which brings us around to Flo's racoon dog sequence that she somehow magically found a couple of weeks ago in some hidden database at CNRS. Have you seen even a preprint?
Um, I haven't even seen a preprint.
What is the date of this racoon dog sample?
In the interest of conserving everyone's energy (as per the recommendation of the above physicist's advice), no further conversation about the racoon dog as the origin of SARS-CoV-2 should be taken seriously until we know the date for said racoon dog sample.
If Flo's racoon dog sample, or any sample, is dated to after December 15, 2019, it should be considered to be likely part of the spread of SARS-CoV-2, not a point of origin.
Why?
We know SARS-CoV-2 easily transmits from humans to animals such as dogs, cats and racoon dogs. If SARS-CoV-2 was in Wuhan in December, it is predictable that animals as well as humans caught it.
So . . .
I think it would be good to get back to this other line of inquiry:
What samples exist for positive SARS-CoV-2 in November and December?
I know of :
1. The California/Oregon/Red Cross blood samples that had a 2% positive rate for SARS-CoV-2 in the middle of Dec. 2019,
and
2. The SARS-CoV-2 positive waste water samples in Turin and Milan in the middle of December 2019.
What does DRASTIC have on this? Anyone else? Is there a comprehensive list of publications or databases of SARS-CoV-2 positive samples (saliva, swabs, blook, waste water) dated to November and December?
Hello to you all! On May 13th there will be an international event for all of those who suffered from this horrendous last few years. The most visible victims are the ones dead or maimed by the shots and those who died from untreated cv or other infections and diseases, who did not fit well to the narrative.
But there are many of us who suffered in various ways - discrimination, insults, being outcast from the workplace, public life and places, or simply put in repeated lockdowns.
Could you please share if there is anything planned in your country / region / town? It would be interesting and we still have the time to use and improve creative ideas, so that it could not get silenced and would not go unnoticed.
Thank you all!
This is no longer a "scientific debate" and scientists are not stubbornly defending their position for the sake of progressing or advancing good science. All the institutions are corrupt and they know that their heads are on the chopping block. Anyone who has done any digging knows that decades of dual purpose research has been conducted concealing bio-warfare under the guise of finding a cure for cancer etc.
It was not one accidental release. It was circulating before 2020. Omicron did not arise from Wu, alpha or delta. Looks to me like Multiple intended releases, giving rapid world wide spread of wuCoof, variants. They want you fearful, controlled, or dead.
Another way to look at it.
https://palexander.substack.com/p/they-lied-it-was-all-lies-all-of?utm_source=%2Finbox&utm_medium=reader2
Since Dr. Fauci is Science, I guess all of the scientists need to find other jobs.