It's been fun following this since the beginning. So many people saying we'll never know. It's kind of amazing how much of the theory has been fleshed out. We know who did it, where they did it, how they did it, why they did it and basically when they did it. We know not only the technique they used but the exact products they ordered to do the work. All this from public information and FOIA.
Say what you will about USA FOIA. They definitely redact more than they should and are not nearly transparent enough, but it's way better than anywhere else. Good luck getting similar info from Canada. There's a reason no incriminating public records information has been pried out of the UK or Australia.
But we don't know who did it, where they did it, and when. We have no evidence to answer any of those questions. We now have some solid evidence as to how they did it and why, but even that is not solid enough. Alex Washburne is right, he and other trackers have put us on the right track. But we haven't found the dogs. We need to stop saying that we have until we do.
"Tracking" just means being motivated by curiosity to solve puzzles. It's what scientists do. I'm still amazed at the lack of curiosity about covid origins there was among science administrators and even among many practicing scientists themselves.
No all the research virologist knew exactly what was taking place ans wrote letters to the nih to stop the research mentioning sars in all the letters. GOF was not halted but sent back to WIV were it escaped.
Thank you for this. I have been following this story since early 2020. I am an engineer by training and professionally and specialize in 'solving hard problems' -- I'm always attracted to tough challenges and figuring out complex puzzles. From the early days it was apparent to me that the strength of the denials (starting with the infamous 'Proximal Origin' paper) did not line up with the strength of the (publicly available) evidence here. This raised a red flag in my mind with 2 logical possibilities present: either there was more evidence for a zoological spillover than was shared or folks wanted to deliberately kill a valid hypothesis (lab leak). Over time the evidence for the second grew, while the evidence for the first was consistently flimsy and often flawed. To this day I am disappointed that mainstream sources like the NY Times still refuse to give credibility to the lab leak theory that has come to have far more evidence behind it. I've never been one to disparage the mainstream media, despite knowing that they (as everyone) has their biases and that political stories will receive skewed coverage, but to see them deliberately ignore the mounting evidence here in what should be straightforward science reporting beggars belief... Thank you again for a really well written piece that deserves a lot more visibility!
You're missing the Ralph Bsric, University of North Carolina link! He taught the Wuhan scientists how to weaponise the virus with the clesvage site substitution
Indeed, and Baric was a PI on the DEFUSE grant. If the virus had originated in North Carolina instead of Wuhan, I would definitely be focusing my attention on Baric. However, Daszak & ZhengLi swapped S-genes in bat SARS-CoVs in Wuhan in 2017 without Baric, and ZhengLi et al. created rWIV1 without Baric, so while Baric's name is on DEFUSE, and Baric was on the 2019 NIAID calls, a more central theme of ZhengLi's bat CoV research was Daszak, and Daszak has done more to obstruct the origins investigation than Baric (China Genbank Sequences, Lancet Letter, WHO investigation, Lancet investigation, etc.)
It's unfair to say Ralph Baric taught Shi Zhengli how to weaponize the virus. That's not what they were doing. No one was ever trying to create a weapon. Claims like that are easily countered and weaken the case.
The whole sequel began in 2002, in China and UNC Chaple hill's Ralph Baric's on the smallest of known Horseshoe bat Sars virus.
Using a mouse Back bone they creates a test virus at UNC to effectively infect Mice. That is what this was all about,
Being a Panglin has the most identical mammalian structure to human Ace2 receptors they at WiV
Used the Rgb13 ace2 spike protein.
It all written in a paper published in 2016, that man made virus was shipped back to WiV and from there GOF research continues and ECO health alliance was found guilty of not monitoring the research under the Smith Act.
The virus got out and in 4days scores of Chinese were Infected in the huge apartment facilities.
It's been fun following this since the beginning. So many people saying we'll never know. It's kind of amazing how much of the theory has been fleshed out. We know who did it, where they did it, how they did it, why they did it and basically when they did it. We know not only the technique they used but the exact products they ordered to do the work. All this from public information and FOIA.
Say what you will about USA FOIA. They definitely redact more than they should and are not nearly transparent enough, but it's way better than anywhere else. Good luck getting similar info from Canada. There's a reason no incriminating public records information has been pried out of the UK or Australia.
Ecohealth delenda est
But we don't know who did it, where they did it, and when. We have no evidence to answer any of those questions. We now have some solid evidence as to how they did it and why, but even that is not solid enough. Alex Washburne is right, he and other trackers have put us on the right track. But we haven't found the dogs. We need to stop saying that we have until we do.
Beautifully done, Alex. I've sent this article to an attorney I work with who has pending cases against Daszak, EcoHealth, Baric and Lipkin.
WOW.
I'll have to return later to write to you. Your entire post is very compelling.
Oh, do I empathize tracking your dogs so far afield, and thank God, finding them.
Thank you very much. That was first class writing as well as important scientific work.
"Tracking" just means being motivated by curiosity to solve puzzles. It's what scientists do. I'm still amazed at the lack of curiosity about covid origins there was among science administrators and even among many practicing scientists themselves.
No all the research virologist knew exactly what was taking place ans wrote letters to the nih to stop the research mentioning sars in all the letters. GOF was not halted but sent back to WIV were it escaped.
Thank you for this. I have been following this story since early 2020. I am an engineer by training and professionally and specialize in 'solving hard problems' -- I'm always attracted to tough challenges and figuring out complex puzzles. From the early days it was apparent to me that the strength of the denials (starting with the infamous 'Proximal Origin' paper) did not line up with the strength of the (publicly available) evidence here. This raised a red flag in my mind with 2 logical possibilities present: either there was more evidence for a zoological spillover than was shared or folks wanted to deliberately kill a valid hypothesis (lab leak). Over time the evidence for the second grew, while the evidence for the first was consistently flimsy and often flawed. To this day I am disappointed that mainstream sources like the NY Times still refuse to give credibility to the lab leak theory that has come to have far more evidence behind it. I've never been one to disparage the mainstream media, despite knowing that they (as everyone) has their biases and that political stories will receive skewed coverage, but to see them deliberately ignore the mounting evidence here in what should be straightforward science reporting beggars belief... Thank you again for a really well written piece that deserves a lot more visibility!
Baric
You're missing the Ralph Bsric, University of North Carolina link! He taught the Wuhan scientists how to weaponise the virus with the clesvage site substitution
Indeed, and Baric was a PI on the DEFUSE grant. If the virus had originated in North Carolina instead of Wuhan, I would definitely be focusing my attention on Baric. However, Daszak & ZhengLi swapped S-genes in bat SARS-CoVs in Wuhan in 2017 without Baric, and ZhengLi et al. created rWIV1 without Baric, so while Baric's name is on DEFUSE, and Baric was on the 2019 NIAID calls, a more central theme of ZhengLi's bat CoV research was Daszak, and Daszak has done more to obstruct the origins investigation than Baric (China Genbank Sequences, Lancet Letter, WHO investigation, Lancet investigation, etc.)
Yup
It's unfair to say Ralph Baric taught Shi Zhengli how to weaponize the virus. That's not what they were doing. No one was ever trying to create a weapon. Claims like that are easily countered and weaken the case.
UNC 18 175, bioweapons. Anything of nature that is artificially stimulated to increase transmit ability and pathogenicity is a bioweapon period.
This virus was used to infect mice as a technology. That tech escapes due to sloppy work at WIV and killed 30 million people. This is real facts
Yup
@ John Smithson. Check out RFK's book, 'The Wuhan cover Up' spells it all out in great referenced detail
The whole sequel began in 2002, in China and UNC Chaple hill's Ralph Baric's on the smallest of known Horseshoe bat Sars virus.
Using a mouse Back bone they creates a test virus at UNC to effectively infect Mice. That is what this was all about,
Being a Panglin has the most identical mammalian structure to human Ace2 receptors they at WiV
Used the Rgb13 ace2 spike protein.
It all written in a paper published in 2016, that man made virus was shipped back to WiV and from there GOF research continues and ECO health alliance was found guilty of not monitoring the research under the Smith Act.
The virus got out and in 4days scores of Chinese were Infected in the huge apartment facilities.
Pretty simple stuff.
This article is untrue ans is meant as propaganda